Tuesday, September 01, 2009

[political compass] the lack of communication we have

The boat careers down a river, explains my mate, crashing first into the Left bank and then swinging wildly over to the Right bank, lurching like a drunk downstream, damaging itself as it goes. Why, oh why, can't the boat be steered down the Centre, availing itself of the Left and Right banks to give it its position?


The political compass, as Xlbrl mentioned, is heavily flawed in its illogical questions and assumptions behind them but more interesting is the spread of opinion. A couple of people have been surprised by their position but it's no surprise for me.

Every person who could be seen as Left-liberal whom I know, for example, Jams O'Donnell whom I'd imagine doesn't give himself any labels at all, is motivated by care and concern for other people, humanity, the iniquity of big corporations and what is seen as the ills of capitalism. People like Jams support good causes, e.g. supporting the protesters in Iran. Look at my sidebar - I'm with him in all of this.

Jams will be offended by the next word "political naivety". No fully functioning adult would accept such an epithet but look at his blog - it's hardly political. It's one of the best blogs in the sphere but it's not political, except in its concern for good. Many mothers would find themselves in this camp also. Good feminists would too, in the sense of those who saw inequalities and wanted them righted. The young would echo Jams' concerns - against discrimination against people on the basis of race, colour and creed - all good stuff which I support too.

Those of us on the Centre-right don't disagree with the human concerns - a glance through this blog shows what it's concerned with but in our insistence on "incentive" as the motivating force for all change, this is often interpreted as "self-serving greed".

However, what the Centre-right also sees is the political force lurking behind the do-good Left-liberalism and that force is Socialism, which aligns itself with all the "feelgood" causes in a bundle, in a package deal, like the Chinese bundle The Three Truths, The Six Evils and so on and yet it is anything but benign.

It was not for nothing that The International was composed.

This malignant force, which is no more nor less than the age old evil popping up in the French Revolution, in Theosophy, in the CFR [supposedly Right wing but not at all because Right wing is patriotic] in the Rothschilds and in places people would have thought were the exact opposite, in Brown's government with the international push for a new world currency - these things are so far away from the motivation of the Left-liberal. I've put many quotes on this blog which are direct admissions from this force as to what it is about. Read Quigley for a start.

Many who call themselves socialist [small s] would therefore be offended by the anti-socialist rhetoric of ours, thinking that they themselves are being attacked and maligned. No, not a bit of it - I know your motivation and though you don't mind the epithet socialist, meaning someone concerned with the social wellbeing of society and policies which ensure fair distriubtion of opportunity and compassionate concerns, this is not what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to the Socialist - different other animal.

This force promotes human misery and because it is so ancient, it knows full well what these policies produce. It is, by definition, malcontented, is hellbent on reducing the population of the world and reducing them to misery in the meantime, under the unsustainable banner of a New World Order. For goodness sake - Bush Snr actually had it written into the certificates soldiers received after the Gulf War.

The Left-liberal does not concern himself with these things because he is focussed on the social concerns, the social networking, the pleasant and worthy side. I know just how Jams and Calum would have answered those policial compass questions - compassionately, for fellow human beings. Hence the position on the chart.

If I was to say to Jams and Calum that they support totalitarianism, they'd catch their breath, narrow their eyes and click out of this blog for the last time. That's why I'm not saying that. But the Left-liberal cause IS a hijacked cause, just as conservative libertarianism has been hijacked by the forces of societal breakdown whose main target is the Christian model of the family and the forces of big business, which brings us round to the same forces which lurk behind the Left-liberals who voted in Obama and the Rightwing MIC who voted in Bush.

No one gets it - there is a third force in all of this, subtle but playing merry havoc with our understanding of one another - I call this force Them.

There are three political forces - Left, Right and Them.

Apolitical Left-liberal people who support compassionate causes are not sufficiently into the history of politics for to see who is actually aligned with the Left - the totalitarians themselves, people such as Brown and Blair who hijacked Labour. I'd ask the Left-liberal to stop for one moment and see where all the equality legislation, all the Health and Safety, all of it is actually leading, in reality. Look at the CCTVs and the restrictions on movement now, on the inability of anyone to defend himself in his own home, in the reduction of police and their change in role to that of the enemy, e.g. with a Brazilian electrician.

Who does the Left-liberal blame?

Being apolitical, he accepts the conventional wisdom that it is financial elite capitalism's global recession and the policies of the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan which are to blame, without allocating any discredit to how the government itself has actually used this recession to further its agenda. He'll accept that Blair told porkies about going into Iraq but won't go to the next step - that Blair not only told porkies but is aligned with the international totalitarians, the Bilderbergers being one arm of that.

Even the Rightwinger switches out at this word and communication is lost.

It's impossible to reason with the Left-liberal because he has a picture in his/her mind's eye of a soft panacea and does not want to see the evil lurking behind and utilizing that panacea - that third force, Them, which I keep rabbiting on about. It's impossible to reason with the Centre-right in its City gent form, its economist form, whose focus is what the markets are up to. He can't see it either.

It's the oldest trick in the book - to erode a civil liberty, get the population to support a popular cause, e.g. equality and tolerance and bring in the legislation on the back of that. If the government were to promise to free up the markets, with a couple of other minor little bits of legislation attached, many on the right would go along with it, not overly concerned with the couple of other minor bits of legislation. It's the oldest trick in the book.

The Left liberal looks across at the Right and judges by the "niceness" of the person. So someone like Mark Wadsworth, for example, is pretty forthrigh; so am I when I get a head of steam up. We seem unpleasant when we're angry and it's true we are angry about the state of things. The Left liberal sees the corruption in Westminster and joins us in decrying that but in general, sees us as lacking compassion, even subscribing to a cold, dog-eat-dog philosophy of free market economics which would leave the poor and disadvantaged destitute.

I know this because I was of the Left and have these feelings inside too. That's why Jams and I get on so well, except for aspects of political philosophy. If you zoom round the Rightwing blogs, they do write in a pretty gruff manner, which immediately excludes many women who judge by a person's manner and we are our own worst enemies that way if we hope to get the Left-liberal to see the light. We concern ourselves with truths which don't concern the Left - that you must have a strong productive sector in the economy first before there's any talk of redistributing wealth, that the economic structure of the country must be functioning properly before anything else is addressed.

Mark would see himself as just as compassionate as anyone though and if you look through his countless proposals for getting things right for the country, you can see it behind the words. But we get p---ed off by things and we say them on the blogs, which moves the blog away from being "feelgood" and thus we create two camps of bloggers.

We are into small government and reduced bureaucracy but the Left sees this as wanting to take away jobs in the public sector, taking away people's bread and butter. We don't have good PR on the Right, whereas the Left has a slick PR campaign behind them - Them.

Why does government money find its way into the most ridiculous areas, completely unproductive and ideological, e.g. anti-discrimination watchdogs? Even by their own standards, the Left should concede that that money would be better spent on education and health.

Look at the NHS and how much of the people's resources go into bureaucracy and executive salaries. Jobs, jobs, jobs, say the the Left - there must be jobs. Yes, says the Centre-right, we must have jobs but not by borrowing ourselves into penury and supporting everyone on the tax-payer, when we should be getting production going, reducing the ridiculous tick-box, NVQ mentality which marginalizes much of the talent in the country and actually getting people back to work which actually exists.

At the moment the work simply does not exist.

Why can't the Left-liberal see that?

We obviously have a communication problem and the Centre-right's intensity, even in this post, is unpleasant to the Left-liberal. The trouble is, "easy-going" in this current situation is closing the eyes to what needs to be done. We all want that fully-employed society where everyone feels valued and we are tolerant and caring - both sides want that - but the third force which is working to prevent that and to destabilize society for a global political agenda - Them - is not being recognized for what they are doing to both sides of party politics.

The Left and Right need to combine against that third force and reject totalitarian/authoritarian positions on both their parts. Let's be of the Centre, not of the Left or Right.

Look, how can I put it? My mate has a model, an analogy:

The boat careers down a river, crashing first into the Left bank and then swinging wildly over to the Right bank, lurching like a drunk downstream, damaging itself as it goes. Why, oh why, can't the boat be steered down the Centre, availing itself of the Left and Right banks to give it its position?


Further reading: Pro-Liberi: Root Cause of our Ills for the governmental cause of the ills.

17 comments:

  1. There are three political forces - Left, Right and Them.

    Excellent post! I love the truth in it. Please, may I use your concept?

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  2. “Why, oh why, can't the boat be steered down the Centre, availing itself of the Left and Right banks to give it its position?”

    Why, oh why, should I choose to get in a boat to be steered down the centre of a river which at this stretch of its course is far to the left of its source? Or: why, oh why, can’t you give me a reason to be a radical far-left lunatic by the old measure?

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  3. Mad Piper - fire away but don't bother crediting me. There's a lot of other people's thinking which got me to this point.

    Deogolwulf - shhhh. I'm trying to get a bit of mutual understanding going here.

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  4. What to say? I am not anchored to a strong ideology. "Shit, that ain't right " does for me

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  5. I am with Jams here.

    I am not anchored to an ideology either, but we seem to get labeled with things we do not support or believe in.

    That must say something about people who place these labels on us...

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  6. James

    Your post would have lost nothing had you written without making assumptions about Jams and me.

    An unnecessary distraction.

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  7. Jams - that's what I said. You're for the good cause and as you say, when something isn't right.

    Cherie, Jams had a score on the compass which indicated a position. The point I made was that he would not have labelled himself that way.

    Calum - same with you. You yourself had a score which indicated left. Yet, as you say, you don't like the label.

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  8. Actually if push came to shove I would certainly describe myself as a leftie. Sadly that leads to assumptions on outlook.

    It's a bit like saying you believe in the existence in UFOs. People will assume saucers and little green men when all you have said is that you believe that there are aerial phenomena that currently defy explanation!

    As for political thinkers it is my only regret that Marx, Mill, Smith and the rest did not have the foresight to publish their books on soft paper!

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  9. The point I was making was why do YOU and certain others put labels on people because of where they stand on a certain place on a graph.

    Why does that make you map them into a place they clearly do not subscribe to?

    They don't like the label because it doesn't apply to what they believe in.

    What does that say about you and other people who place labels like that?

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  10. Cherie, the graph itself had labels. Nothing to do with me. Have a look at it - it has labels on the edge so I just read them. No rocket science here. It also misses the point of the post which is that it's more important to find common ground than be divided with labels. That's why I wrote about the centre way and about the third force in politics which was neither left nor right.

    However, Jams then goes on to say, "Actually if push came to shove I would certainly describe myself as a leftie."

    So there's no shame in it, Cherie.

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  11. Thank You :-) that didn't come out properly in the post ;-)

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  12. In all my personal experience, limited though it must necessarily be, all people who reject labels are leftists. I have never known a person on the right to avoid them. We are happy to say that a label may be misleading, or ambiguous. In fact, that is precisely the reason that leftists abuse language--to take credit for what is not theirs and avoid responsibility for what is.

    GARET GARRETT, New Deal
    People were all the while fixed in the delusion that they were talking about the same things because they were using the same words. Opposite and violently hostile ideas were represented by the same words. This was the American people’s first experience with dialectic according to Marx and Lenin.
    JOSEH SCHUMPETER
    As a supreme if unintended compliment, the enemies of the system of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.
    CHESTERTON
    Liberty has produced scepticism, and skepticism has destroyed liberty. Latter-day scepticism is fond of calling itself progressive; but scepticism is really reactionary. The lovers of liberty thought they were leaving it unlimited, when they were only leaving it undefined. They thought that they were only leaving it undefined, when the were really leaving it undefended.
    THOMAS SZASZ
    The battle for the world is a battle for definitions.
    VOLTAIRE
    There are some who only employ language for the purposes of disguising their thoughts.

    If in our confusion over right and left we wish to split the middle and call that moderation, try doing that with wine and sewage. This is exactly how we have arrived at our sorry state.

    Robert Conquests Law: All things not explicitly right wing sooner or later become left wing.

    That does not imply that the Right owns truth, or that there are not competing truths, or even that truth does not change. It only means that the Left never has truth. Any rough law of chance would deny that possibility, but it is not by chance, but design that they march us back to our roots.
    Hayek--The savage was not solitary, and his instinct was collectivist.

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  13. James

    I have absolutely no problem with being labelled a "leftie" and this too appears to be Jams' position.

    In an earlier post - don't know where - you labelled me "the left wing blogger Calum Carr" and I made no comment about that label. I'm not ashamed of being left-wing; I'm proud of it.

    The point I tried to make - but failed - is that you could have written this post without making any assumptions about the basis of my and Jams leftwingness to no detriment of the post.

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  14. The labels "left" and "right" have become meaningless.

    These days, the split is essentially between those who think the State is the solution, and those who think the State is the problem.

    Or, if you like, between those who believe in voluntary co-operation between people, and those who think their own views should be imposed on everyone by force.

    There are parties on both sides of the old divide, who hold either of those views.

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  15. Above comment is mine. Clicked the wrong button.

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  16. So now you have agreed with WY are you able to drop the labels when you next post on this? ;-)

    He expressed exactly what I have been trying to say all along...

    Sorry! I will now leave you to have the last word on this xx

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